Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 21:26:05 PST From: Snuffles@kew.com Subject: UUPC-Info-Request Digest 1996 #34 To: uupc-info-digest@kew.com Message-ID: Reply-To: UUPC-Info-Request@kew.com UUPC-Info-Request Digest Sat, 14 Dec 96 Volume 1996: Issue 34 Today's Topics: a couple of questions (2 msgs) can't create temp file (2 msgs) carcasses in spool\site\d FOSSIL drivers and accurate port speeds (2 msgs) How to change mailbox format? (3 msgs) Moderated Newsgroups and UUPC/Extended SYS Files again tcpip issues UUPC Win NT problem uux problem To subscribe to UUPC-Info-Digest, send the command in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com: subscribe uupc-info-Digest To signoff from UUPC-Info-Digest, use "signoff" instead of "subscribe". You can also send an "index" to the listserv to get an index of back issues and other files available for retrieval. Note: Questions on UUPC/extended itself which are not of general interest should be sent to help@kew.com, not to the mailing list. Nor questions should be posted on Usenet, we don't read it. (Much.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:18:23 -0500 From: Software@kew.com Subject: a couple of questions To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:59:13 +0700, "Boris Popov" wrote: > On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 19:53:06 uupcinfo@kew.com writes to UUPC/Extended mailing list : > > >> 2) If I were to pipe mail to uupc from an smtp mailer what would the > >> command line look like? Which program do I use? UUCICO.EXE or UUX.EXE > > ukc> I think someone from posted this. I've never played with it, since the > ukc> OS/2 sendmail is such a hack. I may do a real SMTP daemon. > > Sendmail v1.99 & 2.01 from TCP/IP 4.0 works just fine either like a server > and client. I think that code has been ported from latest version of BSD. sendmail's FAQ claims OS/2 is too brain dead to support it. I don't know. In any case, sendmail is a little hairy for my taste, and I also need it for NT. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9712 Oh, Momma, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of root . . . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:45:12 -0500 From: curtis@echomedia.com Subject: a couple of questions To: UUPC/Extended mailing list OS/2's Sendmail is configured to support Ultimail and act as a personal mail server, not a real mail server. Sendmail itself doesn't appear to be the problem. The problem is the sendmail.cf or sendmail.uml (which OS/2 defaults to). If you make a change in your tcp/ip settings, the applet will overwrite your cf file with a template or generate one on the fly using a template and gleaning some information from somewhere else. The only way around it is to write your own sendmail.cf file. I know its a problem, but it does work. Get the O'Reilly Sendmail book and settle down with your PC and a few pots of coffee. Other than that you can get a mail daemon from hethmon.com called inet.mail. Nice package and will forward an entire domain to rmail for queuing. $149.95 for the unlimited user version. Curtis /*----------------------------*/ Curtis Maurand System Administrator / Webmaster echoMEDIA, Inc. mailto:curtis@echomedia.com www.echomedia.com 401-842-0002 - voice 401-842-0005 - fax /*-----------------------------*/ ---------- > From: Software@kew.com > To: UUPC/Extended mailing list > Cc: UUPC Mailing List > Subject: Re: a couple of questions > Date: Thursday, December 12, 1996 8:18 PM > > On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:59:13 +0700, "Boris Popov" wrote: > > On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 19:53:06 uupcinfo@kew.com writes to UUPC/Extended mailing list : > > > > >> 2) If I were to pipe mail to uupc from an smtp mailer what would the > > >> command line look like? Which program do I use? UUCICO.EXE or UUX.EXE > > > > ukc> I think someone from posted this. I've never played with it, since the > > ukc> OS/2 sendmail is such a hack. I may do a real SMTP daemon. > > > > Sendmail v1.99 & 2.01 from TCP/IP 4.0 works just fine either like a server > > and client. I think that code has been ported from latest version of BSD. > > sendmail's FAQ claims OS/2 is too brain dead to support it. I don't > know. In any case, sendmail is a little hairy for my taste, and I also > need it for NT. > -- > Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com > Telephone: 617-279-9712 > > Oh, Momma, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of root . . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:56:10 -0500 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: can't create temp file To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:44:25 -0500, billjr@penny.com wrote: > Turns out that the old version of the file had 'attrib +r' set. An 'attrib -r' > solved the problem. I'm surprised that would hang up the entire session. I > would have thought that the one file would have been skipped and the remaining > files transferred -- that wasn't the case -- the session was halted upon > encountering the permission/attrib problem. I would have to look at the code, but on the UUPC/extended side being unable to create an output file is a very serious issue -- if it was a spool file, mail could be lost. (This is not to be confused with security rejections.) A number issues exist with this processing, I had seriously complaints last year I have yet to look on it (like whether files should be tossed or discarded or the connection dropped), I may look into it next year. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9812 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. Windows NT - From the people who brought you EDLIN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:40:36 -0500 From: billjr@penny.com Subject: can't create temp file To: UUPC/Extended mailing list From Kendra Electronic Wonderworks > > Turns out that the old version of the file had 'attrib +r' set. An 'attrib -r' > > solved the problem. I'm surprised that would hang up the entire session. I > > would have thought that the one file would have been skipped and the remaining > > files transferred -- that wasn't the case -- the session was halted upon > > encountering the permission/attrib problem. > > I would have to look at the code, but on the UUPC/extended side being > unable to create an output file is a very serious issue -- if it was a > spool file, mail could be lost. (This is not to be confused with > security rejections.) While the attrib problem was not a mail file it certainly did effect e-mail exchanges. A large number of email files, in both directions, were not transferred. -- Bill McEachran Jr. Tel: (905) 686-5200 ext. 24 Penny Fuels Inc. Fax: (905) 686-5205 339 Westney Rd. South email: billjr@penny.com Ajax, ON L1S-7J6 -$- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:19:47 +0000 From: eric@terra.xs4all.nl Subject: carcasses in spool\site\d To: UUPC/Extended mailing list >>>>> uupc writes: > Greetings, Once in a while I am finding carcasses left over from the > data portion of jobs queued for site. I suppose these are left over > when the x-files were deleted by uucico for one reason or another. > Is there any utility to requeue these files for the site > again. (they are mostly rnews jobs). And since they are in > compressed form, it is really hard to do anything with them > manually. Not really. Just take your favorite binary editor (I use emacs) and remove the first 12 bytes ("!# cunbatch\n") of the file. Secondly use compress -d or gzip -d to uncompress the resulting file (you may have to rename the file to make compress/gzip accept the filename). Then you should have a ASCII-file in which are the various news articles, separated with a #!rnews line. I assume you know what to do from there. I once wrote a simple (highly inefficient) Perl script to do all this for news batches which were not delivered correctly by rnews when feeded as a whole. It's really not that hard. -- Eric Veldhuyzen TEAM OS/2 Eric.Veldhuyzen@si.hhs.nl CIS: [100010,3051] Eric@terra.xs4all.nl PGP-KeyID: 0xFB64FCB3 ********** FIGHT to keep your right to PRIVACY. Use PGP! ********** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 22:21:16 -0500 From: uupc@mistik.express.net Subject: FOSSIL drivers and accurate port speeds To: UUPC/Extended mailing list > > Some asked recently about getting UUPC/extended to allow setting a speed > above 38400 in the modem or systems file when using a FOSSIL driver > such as X00. I just checked the documents included with the X00 > archive, and the driver itself DOES NOT SUPPORT returning a value higher > than 38400 to the FOSSIL interface. X00 does support high speeds, but > they MUST be provided on the X00 command line. So it's a non-issue. If I remember correctly, the BNU package explained the same problem, and said it was using the slower speeds to set 115,200. (I think it was using eitehr 110 bauds or 50 bauds for that) > > -ahd- > -- > Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com > Telephone: 617-279-9712 > > Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately > explained by stupidity. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mustafa Soysal MS57 uupc@mistik.express.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:16:39 -0500 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: FOSSIL drivers and accurate port speeds To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Fri, 13 Dec 96 22:21:16 -0500, uupc@mistik.express.net wrote: > > Some asked recently about getting UUPC/extended to allow setting a speed > > above 38400 in the modem or systems file when using a FOSSIL driver > > such as X00. I just checked the documents included with the X00 > > archive, and the driver itself DOES NOT SUPPORT returning a value higher > > than 38400 to the FOSSIL interface. X00 does support high speeds, but > > they MUST be provided on the X00 command line. So it's a non-issue. > > If I remember correctly, the BNU package explained the same problem, and > said it was using the slower speeds to set 115,200. (I think it was > using eitehr 110 bauds or 50 bauds for that) It does use 110 and 50, but that only gets to 38400. Here's the table: static const long rates[] = { 19200, 38400, 300, 600, 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600, -19200 }; -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9812 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. Have you crashed your Windows today? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:40:30 -0500 From: MarchHare@momeraths.org Subject: How to change mailbox format? To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Tue, 10 Dec 96 4:52:27 -0500, uupc@mistik.express.net wrote: ... >> You going to need a filter program (grep) on the PC or some such. >> ftp.cdrom.com should have one. > >'sed' might remove them for you if you can find out the right commnds. >It is quite cryptic to me, but it can edit files and remove things etc. I have a lot of respect for sed, and I've even delved into the black art of the sed command line upon occasion. I suggest not using a sledge hammer to pound nails. Nothing beats: grep -v  MarchHare.mome>MarchHare.new for simplicity. John -- //------------------------------------------------------------------------ // momerath@apk.net sevot yhtils eht dna ,gillirb sawT` // MarchHare@momeraths.org ebaw eht ni elbmig dna eryg diD // ,sevogorob eht erew ysmim llA // .ebargtuo shtar emom eht dnA In case of stupidity, break glass. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:39:12 -0800 From: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my Subject: How to change mailbox format? To: UUPC/Extended mailing list In article , you wrote: >On Tue, 10 Dec 96 4:52:27 -0500, uupc@mistik.express.net wrote: >... >>> You going to need a filter program (grep) on the PC or some such. >>> ftp.cdrom.com should have one. >> >>'sed' might remove them for you if you can find out the right commnds. >>It is quite cryptic to me, but it can edit files and remove things etc. > >I have a lot of respect for sed, and I've even delved into the black >art of the sed command line upon occasion. I suggest not using a >sledge hammer to pound nails. Nothing beats: > > grep -v  MarchHare.mome>MarchHare.new > >for simplicity. That's simple enuff' for me .... thanks to all :-) -- Nik Ahmad Fahmi e-mail: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my 74744.1202@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 19:39:12 -0800 From: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my Subject: How to change mailbox format? To: UUPC/Extended mailing list In article , you wrote: >On Tue, 10 Dec 96 4:52:27 -0500, uupc@mistik.express.net wrote: >... >>> You going to need a filter program (grep) on the PC or some such. >>> ftp.cdrom.com should have one. >> >>'sed' might remove them for you if you can find out the right commnds. >>It is quite cryptic to me, but it can edit files and remove things etc. > >I have a lot of respect for sed, and I've even delved into the black >art of the sed command line upon occasion. I suggest not using a >sledge hammer to pound nails. Nothing beats: > > grep -v  MarchHare.mome>MarchHare.new > >for simplicity. That's simple enuff' for me .... thanks to all :-) -- Nik Ahmad Fahmi e-mail: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my 74744.1202@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 21:39:17 +0000 From: eric@terra.xs4all.nl Subject: Moderated Newsgroups and UUPC/Extended To: UUPC/Extended mailing list >>>>> "Drew Derbyshire writes: > On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:06:40 +0000, eric@terra.xs4all.nl wrote: >> >>>>> uupcinfo writes: >> >> > On 07 Aug 1996 20:11:39 +1000, "Jeff Green" > >> wrote: >> How do I set up UUPC/Extended >> to work with moderated newsgroups? >> I'm using UUPC/Ex for OS/2 >> v1.12k. >> >> > It doesn't support them at this time. (As of 1.12s). >> >> Are there plans to support it in the near future? > No. Given how far back I am in just answering my mail, the soonest > I would expect it would be next summer. Ah. I see you're about 3 months behind. Maybe you should know that there are things you simply can't correct anymore... On the other hand, if you are late enough with answering your email, you don't have to answer it anymore. So there is a time that this problems solves itself :-) I sympathize, I know what it is. Although I am not that far behind. Only a week or so. :-) Anyway, I've decided to setup a Linux server to do my news and mail and access it over ethernet via NNTP and POP3. It seem the only way to keep on using UUSP and still use OS/2 as my main OS. The only problem is that I need to find time to set it all up... -- Eric Veldhuyzen TEAM OS/2 Eric.Veldhuyzen@si.hhs.nl CIS: [100010,3051] Eric@terra.xs4all.nl PGP-KeyID: 0xFB64FCB3 ********** FIGHT to keep your right to PRIVACY. Use PGP! ********** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:09:41 -0500 From: MarchHare@momeraths.org Subject: SYS Files again To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 11:04:41 -0500, uupcinfo@kew.com wrote: >On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:24:08 -0400, MarchHare@mome.apk.net wrote: >> OK, I just really, really don't understand this. The system generates >> a SYS file of the following: >> >> >> # News configuration file, automatically generated by UUPC/extended 1.12r >> # at Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:18:33 -0400 >> # The local system, mome.apk.net (mome) >> ME:all >> >> # Our news feed, not batched to speed our posts >> mome:all/!local:L: > >This is technically an error to have the same system twice in the file, >ME == mome. See below. ... >It would appear you incorrectly set your news server to yourself. The >second automatically generated line should be for your feed, not >yourself. What do you have your news and mail servers set to? (The >news server defaults to the mail server.) Well, this is certainly out of the past :) How I cured this particular problem was to just delete the SYS file and let it regenerate. I'm not sure how or why, but it then created a correct one. > >> Also, according to the docs, if I create a new newsgroup hierarchy, >> momeraths.*, and I want to limit the newsgroup to my system, irregardless >> of the distribution put on it by the newsreader, then I would enter >> the site I'm transmitting to and limit the news distribution. However, >> the following results in NO newsgroups outgoing: >> >> >> # News configuration file, automatically generated by UUPC/extended 1.12r >> # at Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:18:33 -0400 >> # The local system, mome.apk.net (mome) >> ME:all >> >> wariat:all,!momeraths/!local:L: > >Hmmm. Could be a bug in the code, I started to look at that just before >my latest collapse in the spring. FWIW, this does work, though: wariat:!momeraths,all/!local:L: John -- //------------------------------------------------------------------------ // momerath@apk.net sevot yhtils eht dna ,gillirb sawT` // MarchHare@momeraths.org ebaw eht ni elbmig dna eryg diD // ,sevogorob eht erew ysmim llA // .ebargtuo shtar emom eht dnA In case of stupidity, break glass. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:07:21 +0000 From: eric@terra.xs4all.nl Subject: tcpip issues To: UUPC/Extended mailing list >>>>> uupcinfo writes: > I'm back ... more or less. So's my Pentium boot drive and second > level cache, a tale for another day. That's the reason why you are so behind with email and other stuff? [...] > As a side note, I've heard Taylor is hard to set up -- it took me 25 > minutes on free BSD, I'm wondering if they others were clueless, or > if maybe I know more UUCP in general than most people. :-) I think it's some of both. I guess you know quite a bit more about UUCP than most people. At least, I hope so :-) On the other hand, there is good documentation for setting up Taylor UUCP. UUCP isn't really that much work. The hard part is setting up INN and sendmail... -- Eric Veldhuyzen TEAM OS/2 Eric.Veldhuyzen@si.hhs.nl CIS: [100010,3051] Eric@terra.xs4all.nl PGP-KeyID: 0xFB64FCB3 ********** FIGHT to keep your right to PRIVACY. Use PGP! ********** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:55:50 -0500 From: Software@kew.com Subject: UUPC Win NT problem To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:54:37 +1200, "Hamish Tweedie" wrote: > Firstly the NZ version runs fine when I run on the local hard disk > .. dials out, collects mail etc fine. When I install it on the Novell > network I run into problems. At the moment this happens with uucico > when I try and dial out. It appears to fine config files okay (i.e. > it loads the SYSTEMS file okay, and checks dial up number, time > permissions okay). However before it reaches the dial out stage, it > has a problem with the file system, and comes up with something like: > "FSAdvanced drive name too long". Thinking that the directory > structure was too deep I set up a virtual drive which is only one > directory deep and tried again, and it has problems looking a the > drive "U:" (but is fine when interogating drive "C:" when set up on > the local hard disk). The NT/95 version attempts to check the file system name into a buffer of only five characters; for a remote system such as HPFS386 or NETWARE, which are longer than the buffer, the program pukes. I found this locally about three weeks ago, and will be corrected in the next release. The source patch to import.c is like this: *************** *** 900,906 **** static KWBoolean advancedFS( const char *path ) { char driveInfo[128]; ! char fsType[5]; BOOL result; char *shareNameEnd; int len; --- 905,911 ---- static KWBoolean advancedFS( const char *path ) { char driveInfo[128]; ! char fsType[128]; BOOL result; char *shareNameEnd; int len; *************** *** 955,961 **** /*--------------------------------------------------------------------*/ result = GetVolumeInformation(driveInfo, NULL, 0, NULL, NULL, ! NULL, fsType, 5); if ( !result ) { --- 960,966 ---- /*--------------------------------------------------------------------*/ result = GetVolumeInformation(driveInfo, NULL, 0, NULL, NULL, ! NULL, fsType, sizeof fsType); if ( !result ) { -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9712 Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:57:35 +0000 From: eric@terra.xs4all.nl Subject: uux problem To: UUPC/Extended mailing list >>>>> uupcinfo writes: > On Thu, 14 Nov 96 9:21:58 -0500, uupc@mistik.express.net wrote: >> > But only up to the maximum length of the DOS command line, which >> is > about 126 characters. This is a restriction imposed by DOS. I >> >> I think he is using OS/2 and is limited to 512 characters. Yet, >> some unix systems limit it also to 512 characters. I am not sure >> if a length greater than that could cause any problems on the >> receiving mail expanding host. > I think the OS/2 limit is 1024, but I personally used to blow out > sending mail to my old feed when the command line exceeded ~ 480 or > so. I don't know what the commandline length limit is in OS/2, but I do know that it (also) depends on the shell (command interpreter) you are using. The limit for cmd.exe is 256 characters, 4OS/2 has a limit of 1024 characters, and I haven't found the limit for bash yet. In any case, bash can do more than 1024 characters per commandline and OS/2 accepts it. FYI I didn't actually type those commands, I once had a makefile which genereated long commands, and 4OS/2 couldn't handle them. After putting the line "SHELL=bash" in the makefile all worked just fine. -- Eric Veldhuyzen TEAM OS/2 Eric.Veldhuyzen@si.hhs.nl CIS: [100010,3051] Eric@terra.xs4all.nl PGP-KeyID: 0xFB64FCB3 ********** FIGHT to keep your right to PRIVACY. Use PGP! ********** ------------------------------ End of UUPC-Info-Request Digest ******************************