Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 15:46:04 PST From: Snuffles@kew.com Subject: UUPC-Info-Request Digest 1996 #27 To: uupc-info-digest@kew.com Message-ID: Reply-To: UUPC-Info-Request@kew.com UUPC-Info-Request Digest Wed, 13 Nov 96 Volume 1996: Issue 27 Today's Topics: CRLF? GUI mail agent for UUPC Long filenames MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC (2 msgs) NT - was MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC Perfect news reader (2 msgs) Please MOVE mail discussion to UUPC-hackers Problem with expire in 1.12p TRANX or equiv uux problem (4 msgs) Wildcat 5 client connecting to UUPC Wildcat 5 connection To subscribe to UUPC-Info-Digest, send the command in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com: subscribe uupc-info-Digest To signoff from UUPC-Info-Digest, use "signoff" instead of "subscribe". You can also send an "index" to the listserv to get an index of back issues and other files available for retrieval. Note: Questions on UUPC/extended itself which are not of general interest should be sent to help@kew.com, not to the mailing list. Nor questions should be posted on Usenet, we don't read it. (Much.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 08 Nov 96 20:20:27 +0100 From: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl Subject: CRLF? To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Hoi! Is it absolutely 100% certain that only combo's will appear at the end of the lines of text in the output of UUXQT when it gates mail to a user specified gateway? There won't be a sole or ? Groeten, Udo --- GoldED/2 2.51.A1026+ -- | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. | PNI: l-uupc 7:1000/200 | Internet: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 20:26:30 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 06:37:06 -0600, cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org wrote: > ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net writes: > >On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:25:47 +0200 (CET), oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: > > > >I think I'm confused. Weren't you saying that you were going to do the > >news thing a la SNEWS, or was that Chris with Newsy? > > It wasn't me. So I found out earlier. :) I will, of course, be looking at both of them when they come out, being the nosey bugger that I am. ;-P - Mother in the principal's office: "My son is NOT illiterate. His father and I were married a week before he was born!" - -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:36:26 +5 From: dudley@gr8brdg.net Subject: Long filenames To: UUPC/Extended mailing list I put the "longname" option in uupc.rc using Windows NT, but the filenames are not long. Anyone know why? 1.12r and 1.12p both... {---> dudley@gr8brdg.net {---> Great Bridge Internet, Inc. {---> Check out www.gr8brdg.net! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 20:38:23 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:37:48 +0200, scm@silver.wcape.school.za wrote: > On 8 Nov 96 at 6:34, ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net > wrote: > > > > Not sure about NT, but I know that THURN basically requires a complete > > re-install of UUPC, besides installing other apps. I would think that > > if one has UUPC installed already, there'd be a way for it to catch > > that, take the info needed from the appropriate RC files, and carry on > > with the rest of the install. > > There is undoubtedly a way to do this, but it makes for a much more > complicated installation procedure, whereas 70% of the point of THURN > is that it is an automated installation system for people who don't > yet have UUPC, but would like to use PMail with UUCP accounts without > having to find out how to configure UUPC first. It would be nice to have the option, though, IMHO. Comparing UUPC and Waffle, at least Drew was nice enough to have the docs in ONE file, rather than Tom's handful plus. :-) I guess I must of the old school, in that I actually enjoy digging into config files with my trusty QEdit (used to write this message, BTW ;>) rather than doing a "fill in the blanks" or "sit back and watch while I do it for you" type of install. > If you already have an installation of UUPC, chances are that you can > just install THURN into a dummy directory somewhere, and take the > (small) batch files and gateway programs that do whatever's > necessary. I guess, although I 'd have to digg into the existing config files for the pertinent information. I have it on paper somewhere. Just have to remember which pile it's in. :) > The PMail/UUPC gatewaying (for THURN) is actually very simple: feed > the RFC-822 messages generated by PMail into UUPC using RMAIL -t in > one direction, and in the other direction, run UU2PM to split the > mailbox file (with concatenated messages) into individual message > files in a user mailbox instead. I'm basically happy with the setup now. UUPC's MAIL does the job nicely, for the most part. If there's a file attached, I fire up OPMail and click on the floppy disk icon. For news, I'm flipping between SNEWS and RNR (ack!). Sure will be glad when the new versions of OPMail(News?) and Newsy come out. -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:48:13 GMT-10 From: peter@jehoshua.DIALix.oz.au Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:58:17 -0500, billjr@penny.com wrote: > I recently discovered UUPC and hope to use it to fill a little niche > in our organization. > I'd like to find a more user friendly DOS mail front-end. > I took a look at PCELM 3.0 but wasn't happy with it. > Anyone have such a beast? I can highly recommend SNUUPM for Pegasus and UUPC. The latest SNUUPM (version 27) can be retrieved from ftp://ftp.frd.ac.za/pub/msdos/snuupm, where you will find version 27 plus all of the files that you need to get it up and going. The author of SNUUPM is Mike Lawrie. The files you will need are: SNUUPM27.ZIP Snuupm package, ETC,USR software & modem scripts DMENU177.ZIP Dougmenu PMAIL322.ZIP Pegasus Mail for DOS vers 3.22 (or later) SNEWS191.ZIP Simple News UPC12KD1.ZIP UUPC/extended 1.12k MS-DOS executables (1 of 3) UPC12KD2.ZIP UUPC/extended 1.12k MS-DOS executables (2 of 3) UPC12KD3.ZIP UUPC/extended 1.12k MS-DOS executables (3 of 3) Once you unzip SNUUPM27 and set a few environment variables, simply INSTALL does the whole lot for you (nice !!) :)) Have also heard of a commercial package for Windows, the shareware version is wnmai251.zip, which you should be able to get from a simtelnet archive. It does not support multiple users. Peter, ----------------------------------------------------------------- ( (|) ) | Peter & Kathy Richards | | Jehoshua Computing /^\ | 79 Bee Farm Rd Phone: (047) 517220 Christ to | Springwood NSW 2777 Fax: (047) 517220 the World | Australia By Radio | Email: Peter@jehoshua.dialix.oz.au FEBC | ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:36:20 -0600 From: ccole@star-net.mn.org Subject: NT - was MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On 8 Nov 96 at 10:03, OSKARS@main.unib.bkc.lv wrote: > But who knows nice 32bit console mail reader witch can be used to > read UUPC mail. It seams that THURRN is _VERY_ tricky to install > under NT. I think Pegasus has 32bit and NT options with uupc's uucico, etc -- Chuck Cole St Paul, MN Thought for the day: One good turn gets all the blankets. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 23:39:37 -0800 From: dan@fch.wimsey.bc.ca Subject: Perfect news reader To: UUPC/Extended mailing list In UUPC-INFO Digest 1996 #25, nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my wrote: >Just my wish-lists for a perfect newsreader... ;-) I've made many changes to SNews over the past while, including many of the features on this list. I've been too busy to update the documentation and finally take it out of beta test, but it will happen one day. The other major step is to find a version of UUPC whose SNews support isn't broken--I don't recall a version that worked out of the box since 1.11x (although I haven't tested every version since, including the latest one). On a wish-by-wish basis, here's how the latest SNews compares: > - news thread > - kill and anti-kill > - cancel message Yes > - built-in encoder/decoder - base64/MIME/uuencode,etc. Supports RFC-1242 encoded headers with a single key to invoke metamail to handle the rest > - allow simultaneous posting of news and cc to e-mail address > - tagline manager support - TLX, John Hancock or built-in > - signature manager - diff. sig for e-mails/newgroups No, but I may get around to adding the latter > - aliasing - group mailing list Supports aliases, but only one recipient each > - option to set headers' view detail Can view all headers at will > - able to add additional headers .. X-headers No, but this is another feature that may be added before release > - support for Rot-3, PGP Supports rot-13 but not PGP (unless your editor will allow it) > - multi-user capabilities. > - ability to create pseudo newsgroup from e-mails based on filtering above. Yes, including multi-user network operation The following are mailer features, and aren't really applicable to a newsreader: > - able to set return-receipt, send-receipt and priority > - autosend e-mail - sending of automatic e-mail at predetermined period > (Crosspoint style) > - full-featured address book - automatic capture of e-mail address by > pressing a function key > - e-mails filtering - automatically copy/move/delete e-mails based > on filter criteria There are many other changes as well, of course. I'm especially looking for someone to verify that OS/2 support still works. E-mail me if you want to try compiling it and have Borland C (or another OS/2 compiler and some time to fiddle). I have a little info on SNews ver. 1.91 (the latest released version) on the web at and will place info on the latest revision there when it's released. >>> Dan dan@fch.wimsey.bc.ca / MIME email ok / finger danf@vanbc.wimsey.com for pgp key ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:29:24 -0800 From: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my Subject: Perfect news reader To: UUPC/Extended mailing list In article <3286d839.fch@fch.wimsey.bc.ca>, dan@fch.wimsey.bc.ca wrote: >In UUPC-INFO Digest 1996 #25, nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my wrote: >>Just my wish-lists for a perfect newsreader... ;-) > >I've made many changes to SNews over the past while, including many of >the features on this list. I've been too busy to update the documentation >and finally take it out of beta test, but it will happen one day. The >other major step is to find a version of UUPC whose SNews support isn't >broken--I don't recall a version that worked out of the box since 1.11x >(although I haven't tested every version since, including the latest one). > >On a wish-by-wish basis, here's how the latest SNews compares: ..snipped > >> - support for Rot-3, PGP > >Supports rot-13 but not PGP (unless your editor will allow it) > I've meant Rot-13 ... guess it's the result of not re-reading a posting before sending them ;-). > >The following are mailer features, and aren't really applicable to >a newsreader: > >> - able to set return-receipt, send-receipt and priority >> - autosend e-mail - sending of automatic e-mail at predetermined period >> (Crosspoint style) >> - full-featured address book - automatic capture of e-mail address by >> pressing a function key >> - e-mails filtering - automatically copy/move/delete e-mails based >> on filter criteria > Actually I've been dreaming for program which I can use both for e-mailling and newsreading ala Yarn, Crosspoint and Rnr. I especially like Yarn but I can't find an efficient converter from uucp .X and .D files to SOUP format. So the next best thing is to wait for a similar program to surface that have all the features of Yarn, Crosspoint and Rnr combined but uses UUPC's mailbox and news file munging. It would be better too ;-) if there's a windows version (Win95)!! -- Nik Ahmad Fahmi e-mail: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my 74744.1202@compuserve.com ... A newspaper is a collection of half-injustices ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 20:26:44 -0500 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: Please MOVE mail discussion to UUPC-hackers To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Please move the rather volumous mailer front-end discussion(s) to uupc-hackers. I have little doubt it's a useful discussion, but seeing the volume (which is enough I noticed it before the actual messages), it's not of general interest enough to warrant the traffic. Someone can post a summary back here when you're done. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-641-3452 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. "Don't ask if you don't care what the answer is." - The Grey-eyed Elf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 09:11:10 -0600 From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org Subject: Problem with expire in 1.12p To: UUPC/Extended mailing list I'm having trouble with the expire program in 1.12p. As best I can tell, it seems to work fine as long as there are articles which can be expired. When no such articles exist, expire crashes. Has anyone seen this before? As an alternative, can someone tell me how I can get source code for the program? Regards, Chris -- Chris Winemiller Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org UUCP : ..!uunet!iphase!dinosaur!keys!cwinemil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hey Rocky! Watch me pull some intelligence out of the Internet!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:54:10 -0600 From: ccole@star-net.mn.org Subject: TRANX or equiv To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Some time ago, I saw mention in uupc context of an ability to use the TRANX time sync method between two uupc connected boxes. I use TRANX between BINKLEYTERM connected boxes, but haven't seen how uupc might generate the "TRANX stamp1/stamp2" line in the transaction. Is anyone here using TRANX with uupc? Got a FAQ? Might also be easy to dummy a response for the NBSTIME algorithm to be used between a uupc hub and its nodes.. Any suggestions? -- Chuck Cole St Paul, MN Thought for the day: There's so much comedy on television these days... Does that cause comedy in the streets? -- Dick Cavett, mocking TV crime debates ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 96 21:47:34 +0100 From: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl Subject: uux problem To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Hello All! When I try to queue mail to a user with a bang-path address uux gives an error: === Cut Begin: MYGATE.LOG === 21:39:07 Job ID: uux - illegal syntax ingen!comuh!xxxxx@web.xs4all.nl === Cut End === The command line then was: === Cut Begin: MYGATE.LOG === 21:39:06 Executing: UUX -x3 -audo@dinges.xs4all.nl -pbEjC -gC xs4all!rmail ingen!comuh!xxxxx@web.xs4all.nl < 2M03E4.DAT === Cut End === UUX interprets the bangpath as a systemname and possibly checks for known systems? How do I circumvent this? Can I 'escape' the bangpath so they're used literally? Greetz, Udo -- | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. | PNI: l-uupc 7:1000/200 | Internet: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 96 21:47:34 +0100 From: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl Subject: uux problem To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Hello All! I wrote before abou this problem. When I try to queue mail to a user with a bang-path address UUX gives an error: uux - illegal syntax ingen!comuh!xxxxx@web.xs4all.nl The command line then was: UUX -x3 -audo@dinges.xs4all.nl -pbEjC -gC xs4all!rmail ingen!comuh!xxxxx@web.xs4all.nl < 2M03E4.DAT (should be on 1 line) UUX interprets the bangpath as a systemname and possibly checks for known systems? How do I work around this? Can I queue this message some other way, using UUPC's tools? Or can I 'escape' the bangpath so they're used literally? Drew? Anyone? Greetz, Udo -- | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. | PNI: l-uupc 7:1000/200 | Internet: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 19:47:07 -0500 From: uupc@mistik.express.net Subject: uux problem To: UUPC/Extended mailing list > > > Hello All! > > I wrote before abou this problem. > When I try to queue mail to a user with a bang-path address UUX gives an error: > > uux - illegal syntax ingen!comuh!xxxxx@web.xs4all.nl > > The command line then was: > > UUX -x3 -audo@dinges.xs4all.nl -pbEjC -gC xs4all!rmail > ingen!comuh!xxxxx@web.xs4all.nl < 2M03E4.DAT > > (should be on 1 line) > > UUX interprets the bangpath as a systemname and possibly checks for known > systems? How do I work around this? > > Can I queue this message some other way, using UUPC's tools? > Or can I 'escape' the bangpath so they're used literally? > Drew? Anyone? I am going to sound realy smart and say why not use rmail and let it do the queuing...and you probably have a good reason for not doing so... > > Greetz, > Udo > -- > | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > | PNI: l-uupc 7:1000/200 > | Internet: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mustafa Soysal MS57 uupc@mistik.express.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 96 20:02:12 +0100 From: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl Subject: uux problem To: UUPC/Extended mailing list *** Dit is een antwoord op een bericht in LIST.UUPC (LIST.UUPC). uupc@mistik.express.net wrote: >> line then was: UUX -x3 -audo@dinges.xs4all.nl -pbEjC -gC >> xs4all!rmail ingen!comuh!xxxxx@web.xs4all.nl < 2M03E4.DAT >> (should be on 1 line) >> UUX interprets the bangpath as a systemname and possibly checks for >> known systems? How do I work around this? u> I am going to sound realy smart and say why not use rmail and let it do u> the queuing...and you probably have a good reason for not doing so... Sure. When I feed rmail a To: line with a bunch of addresses each address generates a set of D. X. and C files. I want to keep transmission cost low and speed high so I'd like to queue the rmail myself and put as many addresses on a line as possible. Groeten, Udo --- GoldED/2 2.51.A1026+ -- | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. | PNI: l-uupc 7:1000/200 | Internet: l-uupc@dinges.xs4all.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:42:27 +5 From: dudley@gr8brdg.net Subject: Wildcat 5 client connecting to UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list I am stumped. This is a solid TCPIP connection that dies for uupc. This one went 51 minutes, but sometimes it only goes 5. How do I troubleshoot. "g" protocol gets no better. 11/08-19:30 news called by bamacomm: network link, t protocol, z grade 11/08-19:30 schkdir: Switch into master mode 11/08-19:30 nextGrade: Processing grade n call files 11/08-20:21 tsread: EOF on recv() 11/08-20:21 trdmsg: Command read failed with 0 bytes read 11/08-20:21 process: Connection lost to bamacomm, previous system state = f 11/08-20:21 tsread: EOF on recv() 11/08-20:21 47 files sent, 0 files received, 7051365 bytes sent, 284 bytes received 11/08-20:21 7106 packets transferred, 0 errors, connection time 51:03, 2302 bytes/second 11/08-20:53 uucico: UUPC/extended 1.12p (Sep 22 1996 15:20:26) 11/08-20:53 tsread: EOF on recv() 11/08-20:53 rmsg: Timeout reading message {---> dudley@gr8brdg.net {---> Great Bridge Internet, Inc. {---> Check out www.gr8brdg.net! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:46:06 +5 From: dudley@gr8brdg.net Subject: Wildcat 5 connection To: UUPC/Extended mailing list This is another session of the Wildcat 5 client linking to uupc. How do I troubleshoot the ssfile: line? 11/08-20:55 uucico: UUPC/extended 1.12p (Sep 22 1996 15:20:26) 11/08-20:55 login: login user Ubamacomm (????) at Fri Nov 0820:55:341996 11/08-20:55 Invalid argument "-U0x10000" from system bamacomm 11/08-20:55 Invalid argument "-N0x7" from system bamacomm 11/08-20:55 Invalid argument "-R" from system bamacomm 11/08-20:55 news called by bamacomm: network link, g protocol, z grade 11/08-20:55 schkdir:Switch into master mode 11/08-20:55 nextGrade: Processing grade n call files 11/08-20:55 ssfile: Cannot open file D.news006B2 (bamacomm/D/#'h{)}i) from g:\uupc\spool. 11/08-20:55 bamacomm/D/#'h{)}i: No such file or directory 11/08-21:21 tswrite: Error sending data to socket 11/08-21:21 send: [10054] Connection reset by peer 11/08-21:23 gmachine: Consecutive error limit of 10 exceeded, 22 total errors 11/08-21:23 18 time outs, 0 port reinits, 0 out of seq pkts, 4 NAKs rec, 0 NAKs sent 11/08-21:23 0 invalid pkt types, 0 re-syncs, 0 bad pkt hdrs, 154 pkts resent 11/08-21:23 process: Connection lost to bamacomm, previous system state = h 11/08-21:23 25 files sent, 0 files received, 3259737 bytes sent, 155 bytes received 11/08-21:23 3309 packets transferred, 22 errors, connection time 27:44, 1959 bytes/second {---> dudley@gr8brdg.net {---> Great Bridge Internet, Inc. {---> Check out www.gr8brdg.net! ------------------------------ End of UUPC-Info-Request Digest ******************************