Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 11:06:06 PST From: Snuffles@kew.com Subject: UUPC-Info-Request Digest 1996 #26 To: uupc-info-digest@kew.com Message-ID: Reply-To: UUPC-Info-Request@kew.com UUPC-Info-Request Digest Fri, 8 Nov 96 Volume 1996: Issue 26 Today's Topics: GUI mail agent for UUPC (5 msgs) Looking for listserver s/w (2 msgs) MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC (8 msgs) PGP for OPMail (was: GUI mail agent for UUPC) (2 msgs) To subscribe to UUPC-Info-Digest, send the command in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com: subscribe uupc-info-Digest To signoff from UUPC-Info-Digest, use "signoff" instead of "subscribe". You can also send an "index" to the listserv to get an index of back issues and other files available for retrieval. Note: Questions on UUPC/extended itself which are not of general interest should be sent to help@kew.com, not to the mailing list. Nor questions should be posted on Usenet, we don't read it. (Much.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:20:24 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:01:48 +0200 (CET), oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: [snip] > > - support for Rot-3, PGP > OPMail already supports PGP. Does anybody really use ROT-3??? There are a few. In an FTN network I'm in, ROT-13 is "imposed" upon some messages in a humour area if the humour could possibly be considered offensive by some. Another wish list feature for OPMail: Rather than having the PGP key added as a default, could it be an option? The reason I ask is that I forwarded something a friend had sent to someone else, and here I was presented with a request for a PGP password. Had to go through my scraps of paper to find it. :-) A quick "Sign message with PGP key?" prompt would be better, IMHO, since not everyone uses PGP. -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:25:52 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:25:47 +0200 (CET), oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: > > Will the new OPMail have the same look and feel as the one out now, or > > are you planning on doing a major overhaul? > > I am thinking about changing the look to something more FileManager-like > with a hierarchical tree to the left and a message list to the right. > > Everybody knows how to use the FileManager (and have their opinion about > it...) so it would make OPMail easier to use for new users, and ease of > use is my top priority. Besides, using a tree instead of a simple list > opens up some new possibilities such as a nested folder structure and a > news hierarchy. I think I'm confused. Weren't you saying that you were going to do the news thing a la SNEWS, or was that Chris with Newsy? > I could make the new look optional so that current users can retain the > old look if they want to. > > TO ALL OPMail USERS: Do you want that? It sounds like a plan if people were regularly attaching files, or had a habit of saving messages to text files (rec.humor.funny comes to mind). -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 23:05:41 +0200 (CET) From: oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > I think I'm confused. Weren't you saying that you were going to do the > news thing a la SNEWS, or was that Chris with Newsy? All I said was that I would use the message base format from SNEWS. I have no intention of using the look and feel of SNEWS. Sincerely, Ole Perch Jensen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBMoJdMTeMksgjrTfFAQFW4QP/Z4QBWsOyjkXFhz0TWQQV1/QhtlQShfgb sZGVaEkmthlcfGvXoZm7Pcye23An16IvFVgq3tDR/XrL57mi9WOOF3DmQZGIU1We Fd6i4c893pWd4ssX74ilBt/XpqBQhn5zoVf9IFzkhODwN3Judz6QqtRVwQcQSgeE brJJebGQaIM= =UV3B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:23:22 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 23:05:41 +0200 (CET), oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: > > I think I'm confused. Weren't you saying that you were going to do the > > news thing a la SNEWS, or was that Chris with Newsy? > > All I said was that I would use the message base format from SNEWS. > I have no intention of using the look and feel of SNEWS. I know you were saying that before, but I guess I must have misread somewhere along the way in your last message. I got a brain stransplant the other day, and I guess the new one isn't quite broken in yet. :-) -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 06:37:06 -0600 From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net writes: >On Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:25:47 +0200 (CET), oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: > >> > Will the new OPMail have the same look and feel as the one out now, or >> > are you planning on doing a major overhaul? >> >> I am thinking about changing the look to something more FileManager-like >> with a hierarchical tree to the left and a message list to the right. >> >> Everybody knows how to use the FileManager (and have their opinion about >> it...) so it would make OPMail easier to use for new users, and ease of >> use is my top priority. Besides, using a tree instead of a simple list >> opens up some new possibilities such as a nested folder structure and a >> news hierarchy. > >I think I'm confused. Weren't you saying that you were going to do the >news thing a la SNEWS, or was that Chris with Newsy? It wasn't me. Chris -- Chris Winemiller Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org UUCP : ..!uunet!iphase!dinosaur!keys!cwinemil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hey Rocky! Watch me pull some intelligence out of the Internet!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:13:01 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: Looking for listserver s/w To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Wed, 6 Nov 96 6:21:03 +0000, os2guy@crusader.jcdisciples.org wrote: > I am running UUPC on my OS/2 Warp box and I am looking for some > software that I can use for a listserver and fileserver. Right > now I use DZWO which gives me fileserver and digest capabilites. > But I could really use something like the major listserver software > packages. > > I know about VMS(?) that is being used to support this list, but > I was never able to get the darn thing setup. > > What other options do I have. Have you looked at Majordomo? It seems to be fairly popular and, if memory serves, has an OS/2 version. -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:29:53 -0600 From: ccole@star-net.mn.org Subject: Looking for listserver s/w To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On 7 Nov 96 at 8:13, ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > > I know about VMS(?) that is being used to support this list, but > > I was never able to get the darn thing setup. The link from uupc was the trick. It's not well documented in either package. Seems best to make all the links in the system ALIASES file of UUPC. Identify the listserver queue, each list, and each FAQ. I think UUPC can handle the FAQs directly. Listserv >-t Listserv Mail-Server Listserv List-1 >-t List-1 List-2 >-t List-2 etc Run VMailX conditionally before UUQXT if anything was queued, and after it also. That expeditiously ships both locally originated and remotely entered stuff. If EXIST c:\uupc\vms\queue\*.* c:\uupc\vms\VMailX It's that simple, AFTER you discover the tricks. What's right for UUPC to send FAQs by itself when info@here.org arrives? What is the expression in ALIASES for a literal path? Must "info" be defined elsewhere? Consistency of definition and associations may be why I chose to put all my FAQs under VMS when I set that up. > Have you looked at Majordomo? It seems to be fairly popular and, if > memory serves, has an OS/2 version. Does Majordomo exist for DOS? What other listservers do? I think Mercury does listserving for DOS among its other tricks. -- Chuck Cole St Paul, MN Tactics for political debate: The best defense against logic is stupidity. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:58:17 -0500 From: billjr@penny.com Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list I recently discovered UUPC and hope to use it to fill a little niche in our organization. I'd like to find a more user friendly DOS mail front-end. I took a look at PCELM 3.0 but wasn't happy with it. Anyone have such a beast? -- Bill McEachran Jr. Tel: (905) 686-5200 ext. 24 Penny Fuels Inc. Fax: (905) 686-5205 339 Westney Rd. South email: billjr@penny.com Ajax, ON L1S-7J6 -$- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:12:41 -0600 From: ccole@star-net.mn.org Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On 7 Nov 96 at 10:58, billjr@penny.com wrote: > I recently discovered UUPC and hope to use it to fill a little niche in our > organization. > > I'd like to find a more user friendly DOS mail front-end. > > I took a look at PCELM 3.0 but wasn't happy with it. > > Anyone have such a beast? I'd highly recommend the THURN07b shell for Pegasus and UUPC. That combines mail, news, and transport in an integrated fashion. You can add the V-Mail listserver also. This makes an elegant package that has a very nice user interface and is easy to adapt to special needs. -- Chuck Cole St Paul, MN By the way... Who was that eye sore with you last night? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:11:32 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:58:17 -0500, billjr@penny.com wrote: > I recently discovered UUPC and hope to use it to fill a little niche in our > organization. > > I'd like to find a more user friendly DOS mail front-end. > > I took a look at PCELM 3.0 but wasn't happy with it. > > Anyone have such a beast? If you're using Windows 3.1, or higher, take a look at OPMail. It's a nifty piece of work. -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:03:55 +200 From: OSKARS@main.unib.bkc.lv Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On 7 Nov 96 at 13:12, ccole@star-net.mn.org wrote: > > I'd highly recommend the THURN07b shell for Pegasus and UUPC. That > combines mail, news, and transport in an integrated fashion. You can add > the V-Mail listserver also. This makes an elegant package that has a > very nice user interface and is easy to adapt to special needs. But who knows nice 32bit console mail reader witch can be used to read UUPC mail. It seams that THURRN is _VERY_ tricky to install under NT. ----------------------------------- Oskars Blumbergs E-mail oskars@unib.bkc.lv Tel. (+371-2)7215519 INFO 6420 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 06:34:22 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:03:55 +200, OSKARS@main.unib.bkc.lv wrote: > On 7 Nov 96 at 13:12, ccole@star-net.mn.org wrote: > > > > I'd highly recommend the THURN07b shell for Pegasus and UUPC. That > > combines mail, news, and transport in an integrated fashion. You can add > > the V-Mail listserver also. This makes an elegant package that has a > > very nice user interface and is easy to adapt to special needs. > > But who knows nice 32bit console mail reader witch can be used to > read UUPC mail. It seams that THURRN is _VERY_ tricky to install > under NT. Not sure about NT, but I know that THURN basically requires a complete re-install of UUPC, besides installing other apps. I would think that if one has UUPC installed already, there'd be a way for it to catch that, take the info needed from the appropriate RC files, and carry on with the rest of the install. -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:15:49 -0500 From: billjr@penny.com Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Thanks to everyone who replied. I've grabbed Pegasus mail for DOS, UUPLAN, and I'll grab THORN today. Great feedback! -- Bill McEachran Jr. Tel: (905) 686-5200 ext. 24 Penny Fuels Inc. Fax: (905) 686-5205 339 Westney Rd. South email: billjr@penny.com Ajax, ON L1S-7J6 -$- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 16:38:35 +0200 From: scm@silver.wcape.school.za Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On 8 Nov 96 at 10:03, OSKARS@main.unib.bkc.lv wrote: > On 7 Nov 96 at 13:12, ccole@star-net.mn.org wrote: > > > > > I'd highly recommend the THURN07b shell for Pegasus and UUPC. That > > combines mail, news, and transport in an integrated fashion. You can add > > the V-Mail listserver also. This makes an elegant package that has a > > very nice user interface and is easy to adapt to special needs. > > But who knows nice 32bit console mail reader witch can be used to > read UUPC mail. It seams that THURRN is _VERY_ tricky to install > under NT. WinPMail-32? This is a 32-bit binary for Win95, so should also work well with NT. I don't use WinNT, so can't comment on how easy it is to install. Anyone trying to use it under NT is welcome to ask my advice or send me suggestions. I know of people who are certainly using UUPC under NT (presumably with the NT/Win32 binaries). Regards Stephen --- Stephen Marquard Western Cape Schools' Network http://www.wcape.school.za scm@silver.wcape.school.za / (021) 531-9361 12 Silverdale, Pinelands 7405, Cape Town, SA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:37:48 +0200 From: scm@silver.wcape.school.za Subject: MS-DOS mail front-end for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On 8 Nov 96 at 6:34, ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > > But who knows nice 32bit console mail reader witch can be used to > > read UUPC mail. It seams that THURRN is _VERY_ tricky to install > > under NT. > > Not sure about NT, but I know that THURN basically requires a complete > re-install of UUPC, besides installing other apps. I would think that > if one has UUPC installed already, there'd be a way for it to catch > that, take the info needed from the appropriate RC files, and carry on > with the rest of the install. There is undoubtedly a way to do this, but it makes for a much more complicated installation procedure, whereas 70% of the point of THURN is that it is an automated installation system for people who don't yet have UUPC, but would like to use PMail with UUCP accounts without having to find out how to configure UUPC first. If you already have an installation of UUPC, chances are that you can just install THURN into a dummy directory somewhere, and take the (small) batch files and gateway programs that do whatever's necessary. The PMail/UUPC gatewaying (for THURN) is actually very simple: feed the RFC-822 messages generated by PMail into UUPC using RMAIL -t in one direction, and in the other direction, run UU2PM to split the mailbox file (with concatenated messages) into individual message files in a user mailbox instead. And for NT hackers, all the source is included :-). Cheers Stephen --- Stephen Marquard Western Cape Schools' Network http://www.wcape.school.za scm@silver.wcape.school.za / (021) 531-9361 12 Silverdale, Pinelands 7405, Cape Town, SA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:04:40 +0200 (CET) From: oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk Subject: PGP for OPMail (was: GUI mail agent for UUPC) To: UUPC/Extended mailing list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > > OPMail already supports PGP. Does anybody really use ROT-3??? > > There are a few. In an FTN network I'm in, ROT-13 is "imposed" upon > some messages in a humour area if the humour could possibly be > considered offensive by some. Allright, I'll take a look at ROT-13 for OPMail. Does anybody have the algorithm? > Rather than having the PGP key added as a default, could it be an > option? The reason I ask is that I forwarded something a friend had > sent to someone else, and here I was presented with a request for a > PGP password. Had to go through my scraps of paper to find it. :-) A > quick "Sign message with PGP key?" prompt would be better, IMHO, since > not everyone uses PGP. Actually, it is an option. In OPMail's Send window there is an "Authenticate" option when PGP is installed for just this purpose. Simply uncheck this if you do not wish to add a PGP signature. However, I have come to realize that a Cancel button in the PGP Password window is needed. It will be added in the next version. Sincerely, Ole Perch Jensen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBMoJA1TeMksgjrTfFAQEYQwQAhPSa7Xu/VYOn3JtoLNcEU1lvnXfYLcBx RGfC1adqgUF8ZnmMpG0JRoiXR32K0M4ECZg140hbrARkb7AsCKsF72tHhwBr3mwX 9qqcicsYxJR03meRDrNsxx5tPvhn5RutIpxUu18/SaS2XJ7+gmsFJTFs9m019jzd 5lFinZ3ZNnA= =0dSC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:28:06 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: PGP for OPMail (was: GUI mail agent for UUPC) To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:04:40 +0200 (CET), oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: > > > OPMail already supports PGP. Does anybody really use ROT-3??? > > > > There are a few. In an FTN network I'm in, ROT-13 is "imposed" upon > > some messages in a humour area if the humour could possibly be > > considered offensive by some. > > Allright, I'll take a look at ROT-13 for OPMail. Does anybody have the > algorithm? If memory serves me, I think the first 13 letters are replaced with the last 13, and the last 13 with the first. Gawd!! It's been just long enough since it was explained to me that I'm guessing up a storm here. > > Rather than having the PGP key added as a default, could it be an > > option? The reason I ask is that I forwarded something a friend had > > sent to someone else, and here I was presented with a request for a > > PGP password. Had to go through my scraps of paper to find it. :-) A > > quick "Sign message with PGP key?" prompt would be better, IMHO, since > > not everyone uses PGP. > > Actually, it is an option. In OPMail's Send window there is an > "Authenticate" option when PGP is installed for just this purpose. > Simply uncheck this if you do not wish to add a PGP signature. Yes, if one is replying to a message, or starting a new one. However, when one is forwarding a message, with no other action, the PGP signature is default. I'll check again just to make sure > However, I have come to realize that a Cancel button in the PGP Password > window is needed. It will be added in the next version. Okay. :-) -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ End of UUPC-Info-Request Digest ******************************