Date: Thu, 7 Nov 96 03:06:05 PST From: Snuffles@kew.com Subject: UUPC-Info-Request Digest 1996 #25 To: uupc-info-digest@kew.com Message-ID: Reply-To: UUPC-Info-Request@kew.com UUPC-Info-Request Digest Thu, 7 Nov 96 Volume 1996: Issue 25 Today's Topics: GUI mail agent for UUPC (8 msgs) GUI mail agents for UUPC Looking for listserver s/w (2 msgs) News reader (3 msgs) To subscribe to UUPC-Info-Digest, send the command in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com: subscribe uupc-info-Digest To signoff from UUPC-Info-Digest, use "signoff" instead of "subscribe". You can also send an "index" to the listserv to get an index of back issues and other files available for retrieval. Note: Questions on UUPC/extended itself which are not of general interest should be sent to help@kew.com, not to the mailing list. Nor questions should be posted on Usenet, we don't read it. (Much.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:52:22 -0500 From: narayan@drcreac.kar.nic.in Subject: To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Subject : uupc file transfer speed Message-Id: X-Mail-Ref: 34 X-Mailer: XMAIL 3.0 generate-delivery-report: Request-Delivery-Notification: true I have a dial up email account with the local ISP. I use uupc1.12r and the command line mail program it has. I have observed very low transfer rates like 200 bytes/sec when use uupc for getting my mail although I use a 14.4k USR modem.In fact the modem disconnects immediately after login if I try to dial at higher than 4800. The modem initialize string I use is ATZ&F&H1.The systems file entry for speed is 4800.The ISP uses g protocol zgrade. Obviously I have not configured the modem/system files properly. I am specifically looking for parameters that will (a) prevent the modem disconnecting when dialling at speeds higher than 4800. (b) get a better file transfer rate. When I use a datacomm program like Telix with the same modem I get a steady connection at 14.4k.So I am trying to find out how to fine tune the uupc setup by optimising the .mdm and systems files or any other way. Any help will be very much appreciated. narayan Pardon me for the liberty I have taken in addressing you directly. with regards and best wishes narayan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 17:25:43 +0200 (CET) From: oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > > > Does this OpMail handles news as well?? > > > > No, but it is planned. Its schedule depends on the demand. > > Well, consider this message as an addition to the "demand". :-) Well, consider it done :-) > What > sort of message base format were you considering, should you add the > news feature? I definitely will add the news feature. I need it myself! Since I currently use SNEWS I will probably stick with its format. I want to avoid inventing my own incompatible format, so that people will have the least possible fuzz if they switch to OPMail. Sincerely, Ole Perch Jensen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBMnzHgzeMksgjrTfFAQEVNQP9FYG4D3NoE03jqtWp3di/ZE4rZ6Iw0RGM ndTynFw9cMxJ252K4J1qfRh4M0r7gFIiZC76DbNMLKrT62CZV39iPHYuY7mCO436 vy2EOuHmO3bg1S6Z82n6jrv8SZmDO/OJXKGavaM/RJjszShLZSEKJGxH/L3Zp6Zc WpliNy7KiZk= =cHyw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 20:53:10 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Sun, 03 Nov 1996 17:25:43 +0200 (CET), oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: > ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > > > > > Does this OpMail handles news as well?? > > > > > > No, but it is planned. Its schedule depends on the demand. > > > > Well, consider this message as an addition to the "demand". :-) > > Well, consider it done :-) Okay. I'll look forward to it. :) > > What sort of message base format were you considering, should you add the > > news feature? > > I definitely will add the news feature. I need it myself! Since I > currently use SNEWS I will probably stick with its format. I want > to avoid inventing my own incompatible format, so that people will > have the least possible fuzz if they switch to OPMail. I'm using SNEWS too, basically because the only other readily available, and compatible, newsreader (RNR) is uglier than sin, IMHO. I know Russell will get all defensive again if he reads this. :-) Will the new OPMail have the same look and feel as the one out now, or are you planning on doing a major overhaul? -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:45:06 +0200 From: scm@silver.wcape.school.za Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On 4 Nov 96 at 20:53, ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > I'm using SNEWS too, basically because the only other readily > available, and compatible, newsreader (RNR) is uglier than sin, IMHO. > I know Russell will get all defensive again if he reads this. :-) There is also Tabloid, which I part-wrote. It uses a db format, and its major virtue is that it will run across networks, ie. implements all the rights file-locking code for multi-user access. Details at http://www.wcape.school.za/software/. Regards Stephen --- Stephen Marquard Western Cape Schools' Network http://www.wcape.school.za scm@silver.wcape.school.za / (021) 531-9361 12 Silverdale, Pinelands 7405, Cape Town, SA ------------------------------ Date: 06 Nov 1996 00:04:00 +0100 From: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list > On Sun, 03 Nov 1996 17:25:43 +0200 (CET), oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: > > > ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: ..snipped > > > What sort of message base format were you considering, should you add > > > the news feature? > > > > I definitely will add the news feature. I need it myself! Since I > > currently use SNEWS I will probably stick with its format. I want > > to avoid inventing my own incompatible format, so that people will > > have the least possible fuzz if they switch to OPMail. > Just my wish-lists for a perfect newsreader... ;-) - news thread - kill and anti-kill - cancel message - built-in encoder/decoder - base64/MIME/uuencode,etc. - tagline manager support - TLX, John Hancock or built-in - signature manager - diff. sig for e-mails/newgroups - autosend e-mail - sending of automatic e-mail at predetermined period (Crosspoint style) - allow simultaneous posting of news and cc to e-mail address - full-featured address book - automatic capture of e-mail address by pressing a function key - aliasing - group mailing list - option to set headers' view detail - able to set return-receipt, send-receipt and priority - able to add additional headers .. X-headers - support for Rot-3, PGP - multi-user capabilities. ... Hello, I am encoded 100111011001101100010110101001! --- Nik Ahmad Fahmi E-Mail: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my 74744.1202@compuserve.com nfahmi@geocities.com ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 23:20:22 -0800 From: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list In article <6KK24Q4ASQB@abdulla.pc.my>, nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my wrote: > >Just my wish-lists for a perfect newsreader... ;-) Forgot another one ... - e-mails filtering - automatically copy/move/delete e-mails based on filter criteria - ability to create pseudo newsgroup from e-mails based on filtering above. -- Nik Ahmad Fahmi e-mail: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my 74744.1202@compuserve.com ... I am sorry but what exactly do you mean by `my twit filter'? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:25:47 +0200 (CET) From: oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > Will the new OPMail have the same look and feel as the one out now, or > are you planning on doing a major overhaul? I am thinking about changing the look to something more FileManager-like with a hierarchical tree to the left and a message list to the right. Everybody knows how to use the FileManager (and have their opinion about it...) so it would make OPMail easier to use for new users, and ease of use is my top priority. Besides, using a tree instead of a simple list opens up some new possibilities such as a nested folder structure and a news hierarchy. I could make the new look optional so that current users can retain the old look if they want to. TO ALL OPMail USERS: Do you want that? Sincerely, Ole Perch Jensen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBMoDmNzeMksgjrTfFAQH+IQP9HowZ5VpP1BSHdStaded4r3aYqFI6HDFy r4Y5Pz0s9bshaLD439wxTDChlAHwbs1T5+n+eeAQfZPg+eCXgqhaMlzekhd2UX9x ZGCmx75ya3OBXNiQyUVjcfsmHtWgYkUZpYyPIB4ZESZrbp1vaXxPnKtdstFZtJw6 nWpKMx+WYS4= =dxR+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:01:48 +0200 (CET) From: oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Nik Ahmad Fahmi wrote: > Just my wish-lists for a perfect newsreader... ;-) Thanks. It has been added to my own list of desired OPMail extensions. > - news thread Both News and Mail threads are planned. > - built-in encoder/decoder - base64/MIME/uuencode,etc. Is already in OPMail. > - full-featured address book - automatic capture of e-mail address by > pressing a function key OPMail is even smarter: It collects all the senders and recipients in the mail folders you have looked in since you started OPMail, so if you have spotted a mail from or to someone, his address will automatically be in the current list. > - aliasing - group mailing list Is already handled through UUPC's aliases file. > - able to set return-receipt, send-receipt and priority OPMail already has a checkbox to request a receipt for mail. > - support for Rot-3, PGP OPMail already supports PGP. Does anybody really use ROT-3??? > - multi-user capabilities. OPMail already supports this when used under NT (see doc for UUPC For NT). Sincerely, Ole Perch Jensen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBMoEY2DeMksgjrTfFAQFZ5wP/ZK3n5hk1W6OwQEQUBRxgz81THCWGeba+ fluVTsiwo8oDc6lpD9pMcsOEZ0vXh6eUbpYiEOZRrsf0EvmAhTUvAWKf3v0tQcft ZabTJSh/AriHNGquGkTIk2ydJNOyqOaG1b6ARX50QBlsWSQzvHme57vdXbHX77+E XvbXQ+Ykk2w= =E67Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:22:38 -0800 From: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my Subject: GUI mail agent for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list In article <328118de.zaphod@zaphod.ping.dk>, oleperch@zaphod.ping.dk wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Nik Ahmad Fahmi wrote: >> Just my wish-lists for a perfect newsreader... ;-) > >Thanks. It has been added to my own list of desired OPMail extensions. Looking forward to your first release of "OPNews"??? ;-). -- Nik Ahmad Fahmi e-mail: nfahmi@abdulla.pc.my 74744.1202@compuserve.com ... Ello, I wish to register a complaint. - Monty Python ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 09:36:07 +0100 From: eauth@mail.cso.co.at Subject: GUI mail agents for UUPC To: UUPC/Extended mailing list If you want to use the MS Exchange client, here is a shareware solution that works with Windows 95 / NT. In a few days, there will be a 16 Bit version available that works with the 16 Bit MS Exchange client under Windows 3.1. The 16 Bit client is available from www.microsoft.com. If you are using Windows 95 / NT, the 32 Bit version and documentation is available from: http://mail4u.home.ml.org http://www.cso.co.at/~eauthrie/mail4u.htm mail4u is an extension for the Microsoft Exchange client (a.k.a. "Windows Messaging") that makes it possible to exchange mail via UUCP. It can be configured to exchange messages over the filesystem too. The following configurations are explained in the documentation: 1. Windows 95 or NT standalone PC with UUCP package 2. LAN configuration with a unix mailserver running smail This configuration can be used if your PCs are connected to the server with NFS or Samba. 3. LAN configuration with a Windows 95 / NT PC as mailserver. works with any network filesystem where a Windows 95 / NT client is available (Novell, Windows). TCP/IP is not required. A batch utility for mail delivery on the server is included. Features: * low memory requirements * MIME support, attachments * No limitation on size of body text or attachments * Setup wizard * v1.1.05: 3 different mail delivery modes: - RMAIL RFC822 - UNIX RMAIL - BSMTP ---------- Von: uupc-info-request@kew.com im Auftrag von narayan@drcreac.kar.nic.in Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 1996 22:13 An: UUPC/Extended mailing list Subject : uupc mailer Message-Id: X-Mail-Ref: 8 X-Mailer: XMAIL 3.0 generate-delivery-report: Request-Delivery-Notification: true Dear friend, I have a dial up email account with the local ISP. I use uupc1.12r and the command line mail program it has. I have to create/edit files every time a user is to be added or deleted or the system parameters change. Similarly the user has to remember the exact command to compose/read/send/copy/save/forward mail from the mail box.Irreversible mistakes have sometimes occurred due to this method. Please let me know if there is any GUI/menu based/driven mail package that will make life a little better. As I have Windows3.1 on the machine, please let me know if and how to use uupc under windows. -- mail4u Version 1.1.05 (http://mail4u.home.ml.org), registered for Softwareentwicklung und Systemdesign ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 6:21:03 +0000 From: os2guy@crusader.jcdisciples.org Subject: Looking for listserver s/w To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Hi, I am running UUPC on my OS/2 Warp box and I am looking for some software that I can use for a listserver and fileserver. Right now I use DZWO which gives me fileserver and digest capabilites. But I could really use something like the major listserver software packages. I know about VMS(?) that is being used to support this list, but I was never able to get the darn thing setup. What other options do I have. An ambassador for Christ David Tannen (os2guy@crusader.jcdisciples.org) John 14:21 "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." Check Out: request@crusader.jcdisciples.org (Message body: info index) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:00:46 +1300 From: stephen@digitech.co.nz Subject: Looking for listserver s/w To: UUPC/Extended mailing list ** Reply to note from os2guy@crusader.jcdisciples.org Wed, 6 Nov 96 6:21:03 +0000 > > Hi, > > I am running UUPC on my OS/2 Warp box and I am looking for some > software that I can use for a listserver and fileserver. Right > now I use DZWO which gives me fileserver and digest capabilites. > But I could really use something like the major listserver software > packages. > > I know about VMS(?) that is being used to support this list, but > I was never able to get the darn thing setup. > > What other options do I have. You might like to consider the Steward package that comes as part of the Inet.Mail SMTP/POP server package. See (from memory) ftp.hethmon.com or intmail.zip somewhere on ftp://ftp-os2.cdrom.com or ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu. This is a set of Rexx scripts, so it should be adaptable to work directly with UUPC, if you do not want to set up the full Inet.Mail server. I think majordomo was ported to OS/2 also - it should be available from ftp://ftp.leo.org or http://www.leo.org, although that will probably require setting up perl as well. NB ftp.leo.org is at the Technical University of Munich and gets *very* overloaded with local traffic during working hours over there - you need to log in at the weekend or out of hours. An excellent site though - the home base of most of the Unix ports for OS/2. -- Stephen Worthington Telephone: +64-4-569-6764 (home) Digi-Tech Communications Ltd +64-4-389-8909 (work) stephen@digitech.co.nz (work) Fax: +64-4-389-9901 (work) stephen@inisant.actrix.gen.nz (home) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 23:00:27 -0800 From: jabrown@cris.com Subject: News reader To: UUPC/Extended mailing list ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:07:54 -0500, jeff@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > I would sure like to try it when it's ready... Please let me know. > > > > > >I'm close to having Newsy ready to use with UUPC/Extended. (Obviously, > > >I'm Newsy's author.) Newsy is both a mail and news reader. It > > >currently works with Waffle, but will shortly work also with > > >UUPC/Extended. Newsy runs only on Windows NT, Windows 3.1 (using > > >Win32s), and Windows 95. > > >From what I remember of Newsy (back in my Waffle days), it was fairly > slick in its operation. I'm chomping at the bit waiting for the new > one too. :) > -- > Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net > WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti I am in the process of prototyping an application to deliver Usenet News, Email and Shareware via cable TV using a device called a Vodem. Basically, it offers 100MB (megabytes) per hour transer rate, retail price of $99, one-way transfer (modem upload). UUPC looks good, but I need a Win NT or 95 (perhaps even win 3.x) infrastructure. UUCP is a really good fit, but I'd like a turnkey solution. Sorry to broadcast to the whole list, but would anyone find a UUPC/Windows front-end feed attractive? Would any authors of UUPC GUI front-ends be interested in bundling their software (this includes UUPC) with such a product offering? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:37:49 +0000 From: eric@terra.xs4all.nl Subject: News reader To: UUPC/Extended mailing list >>>>> ghoti writes: >> Of course you'll need a files system that supports the directory >> hierarchy format, so I'll assume you use OS/2, right? But I think >> that things aren't that different for NT. > No OS/2, no NT. It'll have to fly under either DOS or Win 3.1 > (Win32s available). UUPC does the directory thing if one doesn't > specify SNEWS in the RC file. Sure, but your newsreader has to understand the format in which UUCP writes it. And that usually just means you'll have to support long directory names. And neither DOS nor win 3.1 support that. >> BTW Gnus isn't really ported, it runs from within Emacs and if >> Emacs is ported, Gnus will work as well. Although you will need to >> set a few extra variables to let Gnus find the news. trn and Gnus >> are very good, I'm not so happy with tin. > I can deal with tin, if need be. There are nicer ones around, > though. You might want to try Gnus, the OS/2 emacs executable are supposed to run under DOS as well, and then Emacs can probably do the filesystem conversion. Keep in mind though that this way of storing your news on a FAT partition takes a *LOT* of space. Every article takes *at least* a multiple of 4K diskspace, depending on your clustersize. It's problaby even a multiple of 8Kb or even 16Kb per file. So, that means every article and every directory takes at least 8Kb on your disk. That's a lot of wasted spece since aricles are usually only 2-3Kb. -- Eric Veldhuyzen TEAM OS/2 Eric.Veldhuyzen@si.hhs.nl CIS: [100010,3051] Eric@terra.xs4all.nl PGP-KeyID: 0xFB64FCB3 ********** FIGHT to keep your right to PRIVACY. Use PGP! ********** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 20:48:16 -0700 From: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net Subject: News reader To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:37:49 +0000, eric@terra.xs4all.nl wrote: > >> Of course you'll need a files system that supports the directory > >> hierarchy format, so I'll assume you use OS/2, right? But I think > >> that things aren't that different for NT. > > > No OS/2, no NT. It'll have to fly under either DOS or Win 3.1 > > (Win32s available). UUPC does the directory thing if one doesn't > > specify SNEWS in the RC file. > > Sure, but your newsreader has to understand the format in which UUCP > writes it. And that usually just means you'll have to support long > directory names. And neither DOS nor win 3.1 support that. so far, I'm receiving only one newsgroup that is "excessively" long. What happened with it is that one directory had an extension to it. Most don't have anything in the name that's more than 8 characters. > > I can deal with tin, if need be. There are nicer ones around, > > though. > > You might want to try Gnus, the OS/2 emacs executable are supposed to > run under DOS as well, and then Emacs can probably do the filesystem > conversion. Keep in mind though that this way of storing your news on > a FAT partition takes a *LOT* of space. Every article takes *at least* > a multiple of 4K diskspace, depending on your clustersize. It's > problaby even a multiple of 8Kb or even 16Kb per file. So, that means > every article and every directory takes at least 8Kb on your > disk. That's a lot of wasted spece since aricles are usually only 2-3Kb. The main reason I want the directory style is that if something happens along the way, I don't want to loose the whole works for the sake of one or two articles. -- Email: ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net WWW: http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~ghoti ------------------------------ End of UUPC-Info-Request Digest ******************************