Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 21:06:11 PDT From: Snuffles@kew.com Subject: UUPC-Info-Request Digest 1996 #18 To: uupc-info-digest@kew.com Message-ID: Reply-To: UUPC-Info-Request@kew.com UUPC-Info-Request Digest Wed, 11 Sep 96 Volume 1996: Issue 18 Today's Topics: a couple of questions Anybody use UUPC with Packet Radio? Change the text for bouncing messages (2 msgs) Moderated Newsgroups and UUPC/Extended outline needed: uupc to external mail server RMAIL 1.12r crashes when piping to another program Subject: Getting Pegasus mail into uucp format systems file entry for TCP/IP connection (2 msgs) tcpip issues UUPC-Info-Request Digest 1996 #17 UUPCNewsServ UUPC to MS Exchange problem (2 msgs) Waffle Spool To subscribe to UUPC-Info-Digest, send the command in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com: subscribe uupc-info-Digest To signoff from UUPC-Info-Digest, use "signoff" instead of "subscribe". You can also send an "index" to the listserv to get an index of back issues and other files available for retrieval. Note: Questions on UUPC/extended itself which are not of general interest should be sent to help@kew.com, not to the mailing list. Nor questions should be posted on Usenet, we don't read it. (Much.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:26:13 +1200 From: stephen@digitech.co.nz Subject: a couple of questions To: UUPC/Extended mailing list ** Reply to note from uupcinfo@kew.com Sun, 08 Sep 1996 19:53:06 -0400 > > 2) If I were to pipe mail to uupc from an smtp mailer what would the > > command line look like? Which program do I use? UUCICO.EXE or UUX.EXE > > I think someone from posted this. I've never played with it, since the > OS/2 sendmail is such a hack. I may do a real SMTP daemon. For OS/2, there is now a shareware POP/SMTP daemon with GUI interface - FTP to hobbes.nmsu.edu, inetmail.zip (. It was in the incoming directory a day or two ago, but will probably have been moved my now. It has a Rexx interface and provides a program (HRxMail???) that posts from UUPC to the SMTP (and/or POP?) daemon. The other POP/SMTP daemons around do not generally provide the Rexx interface - you have to write a *.exe to send SMTP (not much fun). -- Stephen Worthington Telephone: +64-4-569-6764 (home) Digi-Tech Communications Ltd +64-4-389-8909 (work) stephen@digitech.co.nz (work) Fax: +64-4-389-9901 (work) stephen@inisant.actrix.gen.nz (home) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 22:52:29 +0000 From: dmwatt@smersh.watt.com Subject: Anybody use UUPC with Packet Radio? To: UUPC/Extended mailing list > Reply-to: "Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended Support" > To: jdudeck@simcsg.sim.org > Cc: "David M Watt" , > "UUPC Mailing List" > Subject: Re: Anybody use UUPC with Packet Radio? > On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:15:58 -0500, jdudeck@simcsg.sim.org wrote: > > Our organization is interested in using Packet Radio in the Sahara Desert. > > Can anybody tell me how to make UUPC talk to a TNC (terminal node > > controller)? Does it need a fossil driver? Where do I find info on fossil > > drivers? In principle this could work. I didn't know that there were FOSSIL drivers available for TNCs, but if one of those exists, then you ought to be able to do it -- the docs describe how to set up two particular FOSSIL drivers, so you'll have to fiddle with it yourself to get it to work, and you may find you need to use UUPOLL's -B flag to set up a batch file to run in advance of the UUCP connection f you have any link setup you need to do. (If you're a ham-radio type, this should be no big deal.) One caveat: I found it useful to use large buffers in the FOSSIL driver itself, typically 4K or 8K for both send and receive, in order to get good performance out of the 'v' protocol when talking over POTS modems via a FOSSIL driver. Word of warning: I hope you're relying on TCP/IP underneath to keep the data reliable. That 'g' protocol bug that's been alluded to from time to time is more likely to bite on a noise-ridden connection like ham radio than on just about any other medium I can think of. If you've got IP, then that becomes someone else's problem. (KA9Q?) :-) Can you tell me more (privately, please) about the application? I'm interested and curious. - Dave Watt (N1HMB) > > Fossil drivers are documented in the manual; since I have never heard of > TNC, I can't help you there. Dave? > -- > Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com > Telephone: 617-641-3452 > Dave Watt (N1HMB) Home: 510-352-6799 dmwatt@smersh.watt.com San Leandro, California [A computer is] like an old testament god, with lots of rules and no mercy. - Joseph Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:27:02 +0000 From: THOMAS@aac.nl Subject: Change the text for bouncing messages To: UUPC/Extended mailing list Hello Drew, > > Is it possible to change the text that is sent to users that the > > mail is bounced for? > > I don't want this part displayed: > > "Invalid local address (not defined in PASSWD or ALIASES)." > No, it cannot be changed, all the error messages are hard coded. I > am open to be a better phrasing, I will not be customizing it. The part that irritates me, is the part explaining to users that the files PASSWD and ALIASES are essential for the operation of our uucp gateway. It is suggesting to hack those files. I rather see something like: Invalid local address (not defined in domain ) > In general ANY problems with mail should be directed to the > postmaster at the local site. I agree, but that is something else then the text displayed to the reciever of the bounced message. > I'm open to adding a generic fixed > message to this effect. See above suggestion. Greetings, Thomas. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:45:11 -0400 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: Change the text for bouncing messages To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:27:02 +0000, THOMAS@aac.nl wrote: > > > Is it possible to change the text that is sent to users that the > > > mail is bounced for? > > > I don't want this part displayed: > > > "Invalid local address (not defined in PASSWD or ALIASES)." > The part that irritates me, is the part explaining to users that the > files PASSWD and ALIASES are essential for the operation of our uucp > gateway. Ah. well, two points: 1) As soon as the received: header identifies the system as UUPC/extended, a decent hacker would read the source. Even without the source, an average cracker would sort it out. Thus, you must protect the system no matter what the system says -- security through ignorance is not security at all. 2) Many of new UUPC/extended users are ill-informed, and don't know why their mail bounces. Being specific lets them fix the problem. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-641-3452 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. "she took off a silver locket she said remember me by this she put her hand in my pocket i got a keepsake and a kiss . . ." - Mark Knopfler ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:06:40 +0000 From: eric@terra.xs4all.nl Subject: Moderated Newsgroups and UUPC/Extended To: UUPC/Extended mailing list >>>>> uupcinfo writes: > On 07 Aug 1996 20:11:39 +1000, "Jeff Green" > wrote: >> How do I set up UUPC/Extended to work with moderated newsgroups? >> I'm using UUPC/Ex for OS/2 v1.12k. > It doesn't support them at this time. (As of 1.12s). Are there plans to support it in the near future? -- Eric Veldhuyzen TEAM OS/2 Eric.Veldhuyzen@si.hhs.nl CIS: [100010,3051] Eric@terra.xs4all.nl PGP-KeyID: 0xFB64FCB3 ********** FIGHT to keep your right to PRIVACY. Use PGP! ********** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 23:29:13 -0500 From: alarie@ibm.net Subject: outline needed: uupc to external mail server To: UUPC/Extended mailing list I've got a good connection to the ISP's UUCP server. The next step is having UUPC deliver the mail as discrete files to the incoming directory of an SMTP/POP3 server on the LAN, in this case Inet.Mail. What's the basic outline for doing that? Just point to it and I'll work it out. Thanks. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Regards, Dave Alarie ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 22:32:18 -0400 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: RMAIL 1.12r crashes when piping to another program To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:14:41 -1200, stephen@inisant.actrix.gen.nz wrote: > I have discovered a problem with RMAIL.EXE 1.12r (OS/2 32-bit) when > "options=imfile" is on - it crashes when it has to pipe an email to > an external program. > > I have > > test: > |unique h:\u\uupc\mail\test\inbasket > > in my system ALIASES file, and when RMAIL.EXE has to deliver to this > address, is just crashes. When "options=imfile" is off, it delivers > correctly. > > I compiled rmail from the sources using Watcom C/C++ 10.a for OS/2, > and did a little debugging to track this down, and it appears that > the "imf" structure's filename field is being FOPENed when it > contains only a NULL string. This is, as they say, bad. Which FOPEN did it blow chow at? In any case, I will look at it ... -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-641-3452 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out" - Henny Youngman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:14:23 +0000 From: don@reid.corvallis.or.us Subject: Subject: Getting Pegasus mail into uucp format To: UUPC/Extended mailing list yvonne@egroup.po.my wrote: > I have no problem getting the incoming mail (via uu2pm) to Pegasus but > am struggling to automate the conversion of the outgoing mail. Can > anyone help? I configured a user defined gateway "UUPC" with: Name : UUPC program to run? : N outgoing path : \temp run for outgoing mail : rmail -F ~c -t Filename format : ~d~d.CNM Accepts SMTP : Y Simple message headers : No formatting UUEncode : N Burst : N Strip gateway name : Y Don Reid Home: Office: don@reid.corvallis.or.us donr@cv.hp.com 541-754-0707 541-715-2726 3325 NW McKinley Dr. Corvallis, OR 97330 USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 96 19:58:34 -0500 From: alarie@ibm.net Subject: systems file entry for TCP/IP connection To: UUPC/Extended mailing list The entry in the sample systems file for a TCP/IP connection: tcpiphos Any TCPIP 38400 tcp.ip.hostname.domain et login: USER\rPASSWORD I'm making a connection via ISDN to use UUPC/Extended to copy mail for the local SMTP/POP3 processes to distribute. What affect will the 38400 entry have on an ISDN connection? Does it limit the connection efficiency? The field seems to be required (omitting it causes UUIO to try to connect to host "et"). How should it be configured for ISDN? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Thanks and regards, Dave Alarie ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 08:02:22 -0400 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: systems file entry for TCP/IP connection To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Sun, 08 Sep 96 19:58:34 -0500, alarie@ibm.net wrote: > The entry in the sample systems file for a TCP/IP connection: > > tcpiphos Any TCPIP 38400 tcp.ip.hostname.domain et login: USER\rPASSWORD > > I'm making a connection via ISDN to use UUPC/Extended to copy mail for the > local SMTP/POP3 processes to distribute. What affect will the 38400 entry > have on an ISDN connection? Does it limit the connection efficiency? The > field seems to be required (omitting it causes UUIO to try to connect to > host "et"). How should it be configured for ISDN? As as you use TCP/IP, it ignores the link speed. You must rovide it, as you discovered. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-641-3452 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. "You take my self, you take my self-control . . ." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:46:34 -0400 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: tcpip issues To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Sun, 08 Sep 96 10:12:55 , "Curtis Maurand" wrote: > On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 19:56:22 -0400, Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended Support wrote: > >Whoa. What system is listening? UUPC/extended or UNIX? > > Linux running Taylor UUCP. > > >See previous question, and tack on do you have the modem autobauding and > >system autobauding consistent with each other? > > If I use a modem, it actually works quite well. I'm actually trying to connect via the internet and LAN connection. > The machine is on a leased 56K line. Using 'e' protocol it should work fine via TCP/IP, that's what *I* connect to via a PPP link. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-641-3452 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. "she took off a silver locket she said remember me by this she put her hand in my pocket i got a keepsake and a kiss . . ." - Mark Knopfler ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 09:51:28 +0200 From: bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr Subject: UUPC-Info-Request Digest 1996 #17 To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Sunday 8 September 96, at 21 h 6, the keyboard of Snuffles@kew.com wrote: > UUPC-Info-Request Digest Sun, 8 Sep 96 Volume 1996: Issue 17 [...] > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:10:48 +0200 > From: lanz@sampling.uem.mz > Subject: building up a mail server > To: UUPC/Extended mailing list This address appears to be wrong (see the error message hereunder). But since there is a MX for sampling.uem.mz, I assume daisy.ee.und.ac.za is not setup properly. Can anyone gets the message through? -------- Error message --------------- Message-id: Reference: X-uidl: 0fef03870eced2e13f891eb5c4266dcd Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 09:38 GMT+0200 From: To: bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr Subject: mail failed, returning to sender |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| ... transport tcp-smtp: 550 Unknown domain 'sampling.uem.mz' |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------| Received: from mendel.sis.pasteur.fr by daisy.ee.und.ac.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #31) id m0v00ux-0007VRC; Mon, 9 Sep 96 09:38 GMT+0200 ------ End of error message ------------ ----------- My message --------------- Message-Id: <199609090735.JAA11252@josephine.sis.pasteur.fr> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: lanz@sampling.uem.mz Cc: bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr Subject: Re: UUPC-Info-Request Digest 1996 #17 In-reply-to: Snuffles@kew.com's message of "Sun, 08 Sep 96 21:06:08 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 09:35:14 +0200 Sender: bortzmeyer@josephine.sis.pasteur.fr X-Mts: smtp On Sunday 8 September 96, at 21 h 6, the keyboard of Snuffles@kew.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:10:48 +0200 > From: lanz@sampling.uem.mz > Subject: building up a mail server > To: UUPC/Extended mailing list [...] > Q: Does anybody know about a good and FREE mail server software > (it should handle mailing lists and file archives) under OS/2 (I know nothing about IBM or Microsoft software, sorry.) > Q: Would it be worth or necessary to change to LINUX? Which would > be the software to use in that case? How would this software be in > terms of reliability and user friendliness compared to the one I > use now? 1) Worth or necessary? Probably not necessary but worth, certainly. Linux (or FreeBSD but I know Linux much more) provides you: - multi-task operating system (so network applications, which are quite asynchronous, run smoothly), - multi-user operating system (so no tricks neessary to protect each user against the others), - free software (money savings), - source-code availability (even if YOU don't use it to read or modify the operating system, think many people can do it and improve the software a lot), - light consumption of resources (a mail server is happy in a 386 with 8 megabytes of RAM). 2) What software? No question: Taylor-UUCP (GNU's UUCP). Shipped with Linux. UUCP over phone lines, over TCP/IP (great for PPP users), a lot of useful options (such as the ability to tell to the partner the maximum size of files you accept), much better security, etc. For the mail routing, you can choose Smail or sendmail (I prefer the later, both are shipped with Linux). It works with UUPC (I tried it on a Macintosh). 3) Reliable? I know several sites which switched from MS-DOS or MacOS to Linux, mostly for reliability questions (no more crashes in the night). I don't know the opposite. (I know a few sites which went from Unix to WindowsNT.) Apart from the physical reliability (a PC is a PC, with Linux or MS-Windows), Linux is much more stable than micro-computer, single-user operating systems. 4) User friendly? Linux is Unix. So it prefers power and reliability to user-friendliness. It is a serious effort to master it. See the "Linux Network's Administrator Guide" for details. The chapter about communication and UUCP is good (the one about sendmail is seriously outdated). zongos@ouaga.orstom.bf (Sylvain ZONGO) is using Linux in Burkina-Faso for mail service and creating a Linux users association. You can ask him. Eberhard W. Lisse uses it on Namibia (closer from you) and has a lot of experience. The mailing-list Linux-ISP is great (many people from developing countries in it.) There are many documents and resources on the Net about Linux (much more than for other "low price PC mail server" solutions, I believe). I suggest you start from a good CD-ROM with all the stuff (may be you can order some from the USA or ZA). PS: there seems to have huge routing problems between Europe and UEM: South-African and United-Statesian routers play tennis with the packets. At the present time, traceroute to UEM leads in Sweden :-( Stephane Bortzmeyer Institut Pasteur bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr Service d'Informatique Scientifique Paris, France +33 1 40 61 34 62 http://web.cnam.fr/personnes/bortzmeyer/home_page.dom --------- End of my message ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 22:33:47 -0400 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: UUPCNewsServ To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:04:40 -0600, ghoti@lao-tse.bohica.net wrote: > I'm wondering what the UUPCNewsServ thing does exactly? I thought I'd > ask before I screwed something up royally. :) It sets the host to queue news articles for under versions previous to 1.12p. Under 1.12p, it used in the initial set up of the SYS file, and then ignored. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-641-3452 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out" - Henny Youngman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 10:31:00 -0800 From: adrian@lawsonlundell.com Subject: UUPC to MS Exchange problem To: UUPC/Extended mailing list We are using UUPC 1.12p for DOS to gateway our MS Mail system to the internet it works great except when sending mail to one system in Australia that uses MS Exchange, the mail gets all the way to their server but then is rejected because the recipient can't be found. The same e-mail with the same address sent using Eudora and a pop account makes it to the recipient with no problem. We have had no problems sending to other systems that use MS Exchange so I suspect a problem at their end but if anyone has any suggestions that I could try they would be most appreciated. Adrian Mandy adrian@lawsonlundell.com Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:47:40 -0500 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: UUPC to MS Exchange problem To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 10:31:00 -0800, adrian@lawsonlundell.com wrote: > We are using UUPC 1.12p for DOS to gateway our MS Mail system to the > internet it works great except when sending mail to one system in Australia > that uses MS Exchange, the mail gets all the way to their server but then is > rejected because the recipient can't be found. The same e-mail with the > same address sent using Eudora and a pop account makes it to the recipient > with no problem. We have had no problems sending to other systems that use > MS Exchange so I suspect a problem at their end but if anyone has any > suggestions that I could try they would be most appreciated. The best I can say is that you should examine the bounce message carefully for the address it claims is bouncing, and compare to what you think the address is. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-641-3452 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. "There is much Obi-Wan did not tell you." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 22:28:21 -0400 From: uupcinfo@kew.com Subject: Waffle Spool To: UUPC/Extended mailing list On Tue, 13 Aug 96 13:39:10 CET, mno@va.treknet.pn.org wrote: > I am looking for some version of UUPC's UUCICO that supports a > Waffle-styled spool directory. I used to have a adaptation of UUCICO 1.12k > for Waffle, but there were some major problems with it: When the remote > UUCICO stopped sending for a few seconds, my UUCICO 1.12k wouldn't start > receiving again, but rather stay online (costing me lots of $$$) and act > like deaf. :-( Crash recovery didn't work, either. Huh? Where did the hacked version come from? > So I'm hoping that someone might be able to give me a hint as to where to > find a current version of UUPC's UUCICO for Waffle spooling... Thanks for > your help in advance! :-) All together now: Ask the author of whatever program you are using to provide an interface which uses the standard interfaces of UUCP, namely writing to the spool using UUX and reading data from UUXQT or RMAIL via standard in. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-641-3452 To sign off from uupc-info, send the command "signoff uupc-info" in the body of a message to listserv@kew.com. DO NOT send this request to the list itself! For human assistance with the list itself, send mail to snuffles@kew.com. "Generally when a [spokesman] says the company is market driven or customer driven, it is a way of saying they are working like hell to find out what's hot this year." - John R. White ------------------------------ End of UUPC-Info-Request Digest ******************************